tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post2324480976155666520..comments2024-03-27T23:33:51.537-07:00Comments on katsdekker: Eyetest: Collaboration beyond a 20/20 visionkatsdekkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03801161470696254169noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-53617123544817394402013-10-04T01:14:35.478-07:002013-10-04T01:14:35.478-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-83825095564569253082013-09-21T01:29:26.740-07:002013-09-21T01:29:26.740-07:00Whilst the forgive and move on argument is a fair ...Whilst the forgive and move on argument is a fair one, these organisations are going to spend our money. How many of us trust them to use it wisely? Even more worrying, who are they accountable to?Hexhomehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05459555411965294082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-6900562740031441662013-09-21T00:29:54.979-07:002013-09-21T00:29:54.979-07:00Not had time to comment on this as quickly as I wo...Not had time to comment on this as quickly as I would have liked :-( but it still seems to be active so here's my uncoordinated rant.<br /><br />Firstly, my view is that cycling in UK needs some kind of national umbrella group or banner. <br /><br />I would want to see this group actively supported and funded by all the main organisations (Sustrans, CTC, British Cycling, Bicycle Association, Living Streets etc) and set out a clear concise set of recommendations (#getbritaincycling seems to have done a pretty good job here). <br /><br />The national umbrella org should also coordinate the campaign to achieve them and report on progress. Employing Chris Boardman or Chris Hoy ( or both ) as a cycling champion & media figurehead in this non-governmental champion/auditor role may be a good move. <br /><br />This national campaign also needs to be able to leverage local grass roots support, and use the likes of the sustrans etc people on the ground work to coordinate, encourage and improve the work by LAs. <br /><br />A lot of LAs (including mine) seem to have no overall vision or plan (and some odd ideas), and there is not always the active people on the ground able to launch effective local cycling campaigns. LAs don't always listen to campaign groups anyway, but do seem to take note and use the likes of sustrans to help develop their networks. I suspect the reason for that is money (as ever).<br /><br />The main issue with Sustrans though is that their design book seems to be 20 years out of date (a lot of that may be be legislation limiting what they can build). <br /><br />I would love to start a local group, but really do not have the time to be able to take on the challenge. Being a bit shouty on Twitter and blogs is about all I can manage. I would love to be able to channel that more effectively though. I suspect there are a lot of people in a lot of areas in similar positions.<br /><br />I think we need to stop kicking the likes of Sustrans & CTC for the nicewaycode farce and move on. I suspect they were duped by the initial outline which probably sounded reasonable enough, and were probably as horrified as the rest of us when they saw the result. It would have been good to hear some condemnation from them though.<br />Gazza_dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00648167302912969102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-75917613976901690812013-09-20T22:11:14.015-07:002013-09-20T22:11:14.015-07:00Confusing. Yet there's more...
And you'll...Confusing. <a href="http://www.cyclenation.org.uk/members/guide/01structure.php" rel="nofollow">Yet there's more...</a><br /><br />And you'll notice in that diagram there's no British Cycling. And obviously, no CEoGB.<br /><br />It's absolutely the last thing you want when above all else you need a focussed team working towards a clear goal. You'd need to be one hell of a leader to hold that lot together and succeed!<br /><br />All the groups have come about because of a need, so they're all valid in some way, and it really ought to raise alarm bells that so many people recently felt the need for yet another new group to represent them, the CEoGB. If there was a leader orchestrating this he or she would be pretty worried about that. I think we can probably safely assume there isn't one. A leader I mean, which is more than a bit of a worry in itself.<br /><br />My experience of campaigning as part of the CTC was pretty lonely locally. CTC's campaigners are fairly thinly spread and rarely get much if any support from the far larger group of CTC's active members who are more interested in riding their bikes of a weekend. That disparity was brought to my attention last week in fact. If you've got a local CTC group the likelyhood is that they'll be trying to ride away from their base in the towns and cities to somewhere quieter and prettier. The last thing they do is spend much time riding around in the immediate vicinity, and consequently tend to have little interest in it. That might explain quite a lot!<br /><br />Which brings us back to that question, who and what are all of us campaigners campaigning for? Quite a lot it turns out, when you add it all up. Just CTC's demands run to pages and pages of briefing sheets. Wouldn't it be great if you could condense all that down to one phrase rather one page? Something that makes that leap beyond current cyclists to the imaginations of those not yet riding bikes? I wonder what it could be?<br /><br />Oh look. Somebody's got it already. It's in the comment above this one. What's stopping the UK Cycling Alliance using it do you think? Copyright? Or something else?<br /><br />We've got 'Get Britain Cycling' though, which somebody else pointed out to me really ought to be Get England Cycling since it's a Westminster based initiative. Has that connected with non-cyclists? That's something a leader, if there were one, would be pretty keen to find out I think. Question, learn and improve.<br /><br />Perhaps I'm missing something and GBC isn't that kind of campaign. And we're back where we came in. Confusing.<br /><br />I'll crawl back into my bed now...<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-71151111177685183422013-09-20T07:26:34.301-07:002013-09-20T07:26:34.301-07:00I hope we all can insist that governments create &...I hope we all can insist that governments create 'space for cycling'. <br /><br />That phrase is growing in popularity because it is simple to remember and general enough that local groups, businesses and campaigners can define the specifics of what it means for their local area, while still linking in to a national theme.<br /><br />Local elections are in May 2014, and by then every local councillor should have at least heard the phrase! Campaigners can work on obtaining specific pledges from candidates to create space for cycling in their local area.<br /><br />Here's a hub that is acting as a starting point...<br />http://SpaceForCycling.org<br /><br />The strap line is 'space not conflict'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-47517522587712729512013-09-19T13:02:17.070-07:002013-09-19T13:02:17.070-07:00This is an excellent post. I consider myself one o...This is an excellent post. I consider myself one of radwagon's shouters and in this respect I find the readiness of some of the commenters to work within the traditional Brit structures quite depressing . With 2% national modal share, that whole project has failed. Until the whole attitude of those with the purse strings changes the UK are never going to get the same kind of national consensus that cycling is a worthwhile thing to do and to promote (for all the usual reasons), and the UK will never achieve the same level of cycling uptake as N Europe, or, I dare say, places like Seville. <br /><br />What originally got me started was Mike Penning's comment that the Netherlands had much to learn about road safety from the UK. As long as this kind of ignorant attitude persists in government, local or central, it doesn't really matter whether Sustrans or CTC are establishment, shirking their responsibilities etc or not. Recent pathetic suggestions for cycling infrastructure designs and boilerplate statements from DfT ministers, do not give me any confidence that the step change necessary is anywhere near. Change needs to come in government, not these organisations. They could help, though, by rejecting many more useless projects instead of "welcoming" anything that moves, and which, despite the new wave of campaigners such as NCC and CEoGB, keep coming with monotonously dispiriting regularity. Those in authority could listen more to the new wave too. But that seems far off. So for the time being, on with the shouting. Jitensha Onihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13977971109066956363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-42647802150988344452013-09-19T06:46:45.150-07:002013-09-19T06:46:45.150-07:00CTC, and possibly sustrans, do have input on alloc...CTC, and possibly sustrans, do have input on allocations of central government money to local cycle schemes. In the case of Cambridge this resulted in assenting to a junction design to which the local campaign objected. They're just not on the same page.<br /><br />So what's the solution? Most effective is probably joining such organisations and making the case from within, and getting other like-minded people to join. But that's a hard things to do, especially if there are other organisations which already represent your views. However this means the cycling community risks fragmentation, with each org having less influence and risking contradicting each other. This can only benefit the government, as you allude. They can cherry-pick who they include, who they speak to, and end up with approval for weak schemes while looking like they are being inclusive.<br /><br />I had heard of the Cycling Embassy but hadn't taken a close look at them before. Looks like a good organisation and one to which it would be useful to have links. Although I already belong to 3 cycling orgs, and will probably have to draw the line at some point...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-41976603205333931832013-09-19T02:54:13.871-07:002013-09-19T02:54:13.871-07:00I can speak about this from a similar experience i...I can speak about this from a similar experience in my job I work for a charity which unlike bigger players with vested interests, funded by government contracts and the like, is completely funded by donors and legacies. This gives us a definite independent stance which allows us to tread in areas that other more unwieldy charities cannot for fear of upsetting partners or funders.<br /><br />I think the same thing goes for cycle campaigning. The established organisations are already at the table, have made the links, have been commissioned to carry out work, and so they stagnate and solidify for fear of losing what limited influence they have.<br /><br />The problem is, that without a huge change, external 'loose cannon' campaigning will always look like a threat, and a very viable one as taking strong positions allows small campaigning organisations to punch well above their weight.<br /><br />Stay independent and you stay relevant and focused. Go large and you become domesticated.Monchberterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00235546004719228395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-87038220160182330102013-09-19T02:33:08.435-07:002013-09-19T02:33:08.435-07:00As far as campaigning or advocacy is concerned, I ...As far as campaigning or advocacy is concerned, I remember being incensed by an article by James Martin in 2009 talking about running people cycling off the roads in a quiet electric car. <br /><br />I joined and then ran a Facebook group co-ordinating the pressure on the BBC and the Mail to reprimand him to varying degrees. The Mail dropped the paragraph pretty quick. The BBC just hung on. Their usual response to criticism, stay quiet and hope it goes away. It did but only after the story hit the top 3 read on their site!<br /><br />I would be a natural fit for Sustrans. It's my kind of activism, being on the bike and enjoying riding whilst doing it. Or looking at maps and working out what could be done. I even started making overtures to local organisers. <br /><br />But then NiceWayCode came along. I now won't touch Sustrans with a barge-pole. My Sustrans teeshirts have gone to the bottom of the wardrobe.RadWagonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14988837097499697107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-67564729177147651562013-09-19T02:24:42.642-07:002013-09-19T02:24:42.642-07:00I think good ole Ranty hit it on the head with &qu...I think good ole Ranty hit it on the head with "I think there is space for the do-ers and shouters alike". <br /><br />There is a need for some groups to get down into the hard work of lobbying, discussing, planning, getting money, and building. There's also a need for this activity to be held to account, for some to shout and scream about the needs against what is being delivered. <br /><br />It's the checks and balances method of delivering what is needed and not necessarily implying that those delivering aren't doing a good job, it just needs a consumers voice (ugh, someone please give a better phrase!).<br /><br />The relationship between these two groups can be good, although I'd always expect those holding the delivery to account to call for the next step. That way you get progress.RadWagonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14988837097499697107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-3702999808955456442013-09-18T14:24:48.651-07:002013-09-18T14:24:48.651-07:00Maybe take a leaf from the Occupy book - no leader...Maybe take a leaf from the Occupy book - no leaders, just a shared vision and direct action.Paul Milnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02451232940757288530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-28820519283482442322013-09-18T13:34:01.711-07:002013-09-18T13:34:01.711-07:00I think we need to draw a big distinction between ...I think we need to draw a big distinction between charities and campaigns and real old dying groups. In my opinion real change will happen when people stop fannying about with campaigns and hand wringing and start getting into the more murky world of lobbying. Proper actual political pressure. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662920773645947253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3811061231462857550.post-34796371135365589092013-09-18T10:11:00.586-07:002013-09-18T10:11:00.586-07:00Sustrans is a strange beast and I state that as a ...Sustrans is a strange beast and I state that as a volunteer ranger keeping an eye on a section of the NCN and helping at events with "promotion".<br /><br />They started years ago as a civil engineering charity with a big aim to create and improve cycling routes and infrastructure and I get the impression they were quite collaborative from the start.<br /><br />They developed the NCN design guide which was pretty good in its day, but it has been massively superseded over the years.<br /><br />They do have a track record of getting people together to reach a common aim to improve cycling (and walking) routes and certainly the most recent project (Connect 2) has built a heck of a lot of stuff - bridges included - the scheme I was involved with create a new route over a trunk road (via an existing road bridge)and they helped knock some official heads together and helped convinced politicians that they could narrow the bit for traffic to create a cycle track (shared-use I admit, but not bad at all).<br /><br />I am not sure I agree with how far they have gone getting involved in air quality and some of the other projects as it is getting too far from building stuff, but I am not a trustee, so it is not my say - they don't have membership as such as a campaign group would have.<br /><br />Yes, they are establishment and need to work with the funders to get the funding, but they do push to get what they want.<br /><br />Then look at the London Cycling Campaign of which I am a member (and have just cast a vote for trustees). They are a different beast and seem to be getting noisy and effective in policy getting changed and asking why can't it be done that way.<br /><br />I think there is space for the do-ers and shouters alike, but of course lots of interests can dilute things. Perhaps we do need a UK cycling campaign, but it means lots of local interests behaving. Of the LCC, there is a perception that it is all about the Islingtons and Camdens with the outer boroughs being left out, but it is changing.<br /><br />Bit of a ramble with no real point I guess!The Ranty Highwaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361350433158148025noreply@blogger.com